Stephen A Smith, Clay Travis Debate everything, from sports policy

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The founder of Outkick, Clay Travis and the ESPN star, Stephen A. Smith, finished listening to the sports of the front-office on Wednesday on Wednesday listening to Summit with a living and respectful debate which covered a wide range of subjects, including policy in sport, the NBA, the plans of the Trump administration to send the national guard in American cities and even their respective political aspirations.

The debate continued for a little less than an hour and started with recognition of the moderator Baker Machado on the front Office Sports on the tragic assassination of the activist and media personality Charlie Kirk, champion of the respectful public speech.

This was exactly what was exposed during the whole debate between two guys who, although they do not agree on everything, clearly share mutual respect.

It’s a good thing, and we need more.

So let’s take a look at some of the greatest moments of the event.

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Sports policy

Obviously, the objective of this debate was politics, sports, then the middle of this Venn diagram. So it was appropriate to start with a question of whether sports are more political or if the media and people like Clay and Smith did so.

“I think we do it to a certain extent,” said Smith. “This does not mean that there is no policy involved. There is politics involved. There is politics involved in everything, and we understand that.”

He then discussed how athletes from previous generations felt more obliged to express himself due to the pressure of their respective communities, an idea that he resulted again later in the debate, even saying that, with similar respect, it was a community pressure which forced him to become more political after the death of Trayvon Martin.

After talking about the importance of civil conversations like this, Travis spoke about how sport is a “unique unit”.

“I am from the old school in some ways.” I have just looked, unfortunately, my volunteers from the University of Tennessee stifling a victory against the Bulldogs of Georgia. Big game this weekend, but whenever I am in an arena, whenever I am in a stadium, when you root the team at home, or you sit around people who are with you, you do not think of the race, you do not think of religion, you do not think of gender identity or what you do not bring people.

Donald Trump’s support push among black men

Stephen A. Smith d’Espn, on the left, debated the founder of Outkick, Clay Travis, on the right, at the sports front-office at the top of the summit on September 16, 2025. (Outkick)

After a few discussions on the transformation of the NBA into politics and how it had an impact on its popularity, the conversation turned to the strong increase in black men voting for President Donald Trump, with 21% for him in the presidential election in 2024.

“I think it is because men see the Democratic Party as emasculated,” said Travis. “And if you want my overview, I think that many difficulties we see in life are absent fathers and men who were not allowed to be men. I have three boys that I raise. I hear them all the time,” toxic masculinity. “We are not talking about toxic femininity.

Smith conceded that he did not think it was bad, but joked by saying that it was “far from being good”. He offered another explanation.

“Black men are like most men; affordability, economy. Do you understand?” Smith said. “I mean, yeah,” how much money are you going to put in my pocket? How many taxes will I pay? How can I afford to provide needs and protect my family? “You want safety in the streets.”

Trump National Guard Tour

Speaking of security in the streets, the discussion also talked about the use by the president of the National Guard to limit crime to Washington, DC, and his plan to do the same in Memphis, Tennessee.

Travis congratulated the president for the efforts to clean the national capital.

“Politicians often claim that black violence and violence in the city center do not exist,” he said. “Trump actually tries to solve it.”

As for Smith, he questioned the constitutionality of sending the national guard outside of Washington, DC, but said that he did not care if Trump decides to send troops to Chicago.

“In the city of Chicago, I don’t care what they say,” he said. “I have no problem sending him to the National Guard. They were a problem before Obama launched himself in power, when he was a junior senator. There was a problem when he had been in power for eight years as president. In this city.”

Conversely, Smith argued that other cities with known crime problems, such as Baltimore and Saint-Louis, should not obtain the treatment of the National Guard. He said it was due to the fact that there had been statistical signs of improvement with regard to crime.

Stephen A. says he could gain democratic appointment

One of the last subjects was linked to the long -term political aspirations of Stephen A. Smith, including a possible execution in 2028 to the presidency.

While Smith said that life is beautiful these days, he explained why he stopped slamming the door on the questions about him.

“I have no desire to be a politician,” he said. “Life is really, really good. And I don’t really want to compromise it at all, but various people have asked me – including my pastor, including the people of this business and others – to keep their minds open, because you never know what the state of business in this country will be in a few years. Would never present itself to its functions. This is what I did.”

While he questioned his ability to collect funds, Smith said he was totally believing that his ideas could do the job.

“But if I did not have to worry about all of this, and that it was just my ideas and my positions against yours, I think I would win the democratic appointment,” he said, before adding that he would really like to go on a debate scene with politicians.

We then asked Clay if he would run against Stephen A. If he entered the race, but first noted that there was a great thing that the two agreed.

“I think what Steven has obtained is that we are fed up with professional politicians,” said Clay, before talking about how he was disappointed to learn that many politicians are not as intelligent and courageous as he had thought, but are rather “morons and cowards”.

So, would it run?

“If Stephen short, I’m going to run and I will kick him,” said Clay.

As you can expect, it was a last problem on which the two disagreed.

“No, he wouldn’t do it,” said Smith.

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